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<Kathy>
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posted October 01, 2002 05:15 PM           Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I have two rose bushes that have never bloomed this year. They grow long spindly canes. The leaves look healthy. What's wrong? Could it be related to my pruning them close to the ground prior to last winter (I live in Maryland)?
I purchased an old home with a rose garden already established, and I'm trying to learn how to care for them. from the rose novice again

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ObsessiveRoseGrower
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posted November 10, 2002 09:55 PM      Profile for ObsessiveRoseGrower          Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Forgive the length of the answer. Kudo's and all credit given at the end of the article. Thank you Los Angeles Rose Society for sharing your knowledge.

Blind shoots are formed on roses when flower buds do not develop because of abortion of the flower organs. The result is a stem with no flower at the end.


The reason that blind shoots develop is not fully understood. Climatological factors, especially those affecting the presence of light, are thought to have an effect. Temperature factors may also be implicated. And others, such as myself, tend to think that they occur because the rose is throwing more stems than it can support with corresponding blooms. This view is supported by the recent experience of Southern California rosarians who reported a large number of blind shoots this last spring, a spring that was unusually mild and which supported ample foliage growth.


But the purpose of this article is not to explore the reasons for the development of blind shoots nor how their incidence can be reduced. Instead, its purpose is to address the typical questions which arise after blind shoots are observed. These include "What do you do with a blind shoot?", "Does a blind shoot represent a genetically defective branch?", "Should it be removed in its entirely?". And if not, "How and when should a blind shoot be pruned?".


In my years of reading the rose literature, I have not seen much attention addressed to these questions. Certainly there has been some lore here and there but seemingly without scientific basis. It was therefore with interest that I learned of the publication in late 1995 of an article in Scientia Horticulturae by Niels Bredmose and Jurgen Hansen of Denmark titled "Regeneration, Growth and Flowering of Cut Rose Cultivars as Affected by Propagation Material and Method." And through the gracious assistance of Dr. David Richardson, Dean of Science at St. Mary's University in Nova Scotia, I was able to obtain a copy of the article.


The article reports on an experiment conducted over a period of twenty months by the authors in which they compared the effects of propagating flowering versus blind shoots by cutting and grafting on the growth of two different rose cultivars. To the knowledge of the authors, blind shoots had not previously been studied as material for propagation and subsequent cultivation of rose plants.


The two cultivars used were the roses KORflapei (FriscoŽ) and Bergme (GabriellaŽ). Both are floribundas available in Denmark but not well known in the U.S. There were differences in the data between the two roses but this appeared to the authors to reflect the normal difference in the growth behavior of two roses and did not affect their overall conclusions.


At the beginning of the experiment plant material for cutting and grafting was selected by taking material above the first basal five leaflet leaves of both first grade flowering shoots and blind shoots. The plants were then propagated both by cuttings and grafting. The propagated plants were than compared by percentage of survival, bud growth and the length of the shoots developed.


The results are particularly interesting to those who fear that blind shoots are useless. The authors concluded that there was no significant difference in rooting percentage for cuttings and scions from blind shoots compared with flowering shoots. Bud growth, initial shoot growth and survival from flowering shoots were somewhat better with one cultivar whereas for the other cultivar the bud growth, initial shoot growth and survival from the blind shoots was slightly higher but not thought to be a significant difference. In non-scientific terms it thus appears that as far as resultant growth is concerned it doesn't appear to matter whether the plant was propagated from a flowering shoot or a blind shoot.


Continuing, the authors analyzed the resulting blooms over a period of time and this is where the surprising result occurred. Compared with flowering shoots as propagating material, the use of blind shoots resulted in significant increases in the number of both saleable and second grade blooms. Put again in non-scientific terms this means that the plants propagated from blind shoots produced better blooms.


The reason for this result is not known but the authors speculate that the larger yield of blooms from blind shoots could be due to the greater number of side buds that develop in blind shoots than in flowering shoots. Roses are known for what is called "apical dominance" which means that the main buds at the tip suppress development of the buds down the shoot. A blind shoot, lacking the terminal bud, does not produce this effect and the authors surmise that the side buds are thus left to more freely develop.


Of additional interest the authors observed that the number of blind shoots produced by the plants was the same as plants originating from blind or flowering shoots. This is to say the blind shoots do not necessarily beget more blind shoots.


So what does this research tell us as rosarians about dealing with blind shoots? Well, first of all, it calls into question the article of faith that the best propagating material for a cutting is a stem from a flowering shoot that has just finished flowering. And for those adept at grafting roses, it indicates that it makes no particular difference if the bud is selected from a flowering shoot rather than a blind shoot.


The results of the research also give an indication of how we should prune blind shoots. There is no reason it appears to remove the entire shoot, in fact the results on flowering suggests that there is great potential in the side buds of a blind shoot.


So what to do? I had years concluded prior to reading this article, based solely on experience, that the proper way to treat a blind shoot is to prune or deadhead it as if there had been a small bloom there. And now it appears that there is a scientific basis to support this conclusion.


I still don't know what causes blind shoots and it is somewhat disappointing to grow a stem that fails to produce a bloom. But it appears that the lack of a bloom is about all that distinguishes a blind shoot from a flowering shoot. Indeed the news that the failure of bloom encourages better blooms from the side buds the next few times around is encouraging and removes much of the disappointment. A blind shoot then is simply the stem of the bloom you never saw and is probably not much to worry about.


Reprinted from the October 1996 issue of The Rose Parade, bulletin of the Los Angeles Rose Society.

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Robyn


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Cheryl McCall
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posted December 31, 2002 06:34 PM      Profile for Cheryl McCall          Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
And the short answer may be over-fertilization with chemical fertilizers. Some flowering plants will react this way with too-rich a soil. I doubt if the pruning did it, but having read the lo-o-o-ong explanation, I guess that could happen. I have been growing roses for the better part of 30 years and have never seen this condition before. But then, I have never used any form of chemical fertilizer, pesticide or fungicide. I wonder if those scientists ever considered comparing a control group of organically grown roses to see if this condition existed with them as well.
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<Suzanne>
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posted January 02, 2003 08:18 PM           Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Have you considered that it may be something as simple as lack of sunshine?? If a rose does not get at least 5 hours of direct sun it will start to stretch and get lanky and diseased and will not bloom.
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<Claudia Seymour>
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posted June 21, 2003 03:08 PM           Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I also have a rose bush that hasn't bloomed. This is the second season and all I have is green leaves and long stems. I have a rose garden and this one is a climer that I have a on a small trellis. All my roses and doing great except this one. The all get plenty of sun. I just fertilize and water. What could be wrong?
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<Jack>
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posted August 11, 2003 06:24 AM           Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I have also have a couple of Queen Elizabeth's that do not produce roses. The first year one of them produced 2 or 3 large beautiful roses and then nothing the rest of the year. The past two years neither has produced any roses. They both seem to be healthy and would grow to ten feet if I let them. I fertilize once a month with Miracle Grow and they both get plenty of direct sun.

Any suggestions?


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<Joan>
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posted October 23, 2003 09:49 AM           Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I have had this rose bush (planted in a container) for several years (it is very old, born in 1937.) It has always bloomed in it's seasons and suddenly zero. It has the proper sunlight, good watering, I have never had to use any fungicides etc. It simply has decided not to bloom. It is too early to prune back all the way, I usually wait for after any frost. I live in Southern CA. So what shall I do? Advice, please. I also read the info on blind roots!
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<Joan>
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posted October 23, 2003 09:51 AM           Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I have had this rose bush (planted in a container) for several years (it is very old, born in 1937.) It has always bloomed in it's seasons and suddenly zero. It has the proper sunlight, good watering, I have never had to use any fungicides etc. It simply has decided not to bloom. It is too early to prune back all the way, I usually wait for after any frost. I live in Southern CA. So what shall I do? Advice, please. I also read the info on blind shoots.
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<lisa>
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posted October 28, 2003 08:35 PM           Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Replant the rose in fresh soil, disinfect the container, and prune back the roots as well as the bush itself. Use good quality organic soil with a manure mixture and a handful of bonemeal. Don't fertilize until next spring. Then water in some fish fertilizer.
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